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MIPS, China's Loongson CPU Are Both Going All-in on RISC-V

MIPS, China's Loongson CPU Are Both Going All-in on RISC-V | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

RISC-V is having itself a moment.

What began as an effort to produce an open-source ISA for low-end microcontrollers and other simple kinds of chips is becoming a genuine ecosystem. RISC-V CPUs still can’t challenge the likes of a Cortex-A76 or x86 CPU, but they’re creeping up the performance charts. Two recent developments could give the project a further boost: First, MIPS (formerly Wave Computing) has announced it will begin developing its own RISC-V CPUs. Second, China’s new Loongson CPU, based on the MIPS64 architecture, may be looking for a new ISA.

 

Wave Computing was an AI company developing around a MIPS architecture that eventually bought MIPS Technologies itself before collapsing into bankruptcy. In the aftermath, Wave announced it would rebrand as MIPS. Back in the 1980s and early 1990s, MIPS Technologies (not just MIPS) was a RISC CPU developer who found success in the 1980s before being acquired by SGI in the early 1990s. SGI eventually decided to go with the then-upcoming Itanium in lieu of continuing to develop its own in-house CPUs, so MIPS was reborn as a tech licensing company.

 

MIPS enjoyed a bit of a run very early in the history of Android, but ARM’s growing hegemony drove it from the marketplace. Since then, we haven’t heard much about the ISA. It’s a little odd for Wave Computing to rebrand as MIPS, then declare it was building a new RISC-V CPU, but that’s what the company has done.

 

“Going forward, the restructured business will be known as MIPS, reflecting the company’s strategic focus on the groundbreaking RISC-based processor architectures which were originally developed by MIPS,” a company statement read. “MIPS is developing a new industry-leading standards-based 8th generation architecture, which will be based on the open-source RISC-V processor standard.”

 

As for the Loongson, we’ve talked about this CPU family before. Loongson is one of China’s homegrown CPU efforts and is built around MIPS64. The current iteration of the core is known as the Loongson 3B4000 and is reportedly clocked between 1.8GHz – 2GHz. It offers four cores and is built on a 28nm process. It’s said to offer a 128KB L1 split into 64KB L1i and 64KB L1d, and 256KB of L2 cache per core. There’s an 8MB L3 presumably shared between all cores.

 

The next iteration of the Loongson 5000 series, set to launch this year, will be the last variant of the CPU family to support the MIPS64 architecture. The Loongson 3A5000 is a quad-core chip for client PCs and the Loongson 3C5000 features up to 16 cores and is intended for servers. Both are expected to be fabbed at TSMC on a 12nm process node. THG reports that the chips are based on an internal architecture that’s fully MIPS64 compatible, with larger caches and a new memory controller.

 

Loongson’s executives have stated they are “looking forward to join the open-source instruction consortium,” which is being interpreted to mean that China intends to shift to RISC-V in the future.

 

The timing of these announcements probably isn’t coincidental. CIP United, a Chinese company, controls all MIPS licensing rights in China, Hong Kong, and Macau. It takes a few years to design a new CPU, which is why the Loongson project isn’t moving to RISC-V right away. If the Loongson 5000 family launches in 2021, we could reasonably expect to see the RISC-V-based follow-up in 2023 – 2024.

 

We’re still a few years away from RISC-V CPUs that can stand up to ARM or x86 cores, performance-wise, but there’s been a lot of interesting activity in this space the past few years. China is said to be ramping its efforts to create a semiconductor ecosystem that doesn’t depend on the United States. The country may feel that the open-source nature of the RISC-V ISA offers it the best chance to develop a CPU core that can’t be interdicted.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Intéressant développement en Chine pour l'architecture Risc-V, sur laquelle se penche notamment Loogson, certes inconnu en Europe, mais qui est au cœur des derniers supercalculateurs de l'Empire du Milieu.

 

Même si les performances ne sont pas encore au niveau d'ARM ou d'Intel, elles progressent très rapidement notamment en raison de la communauté Open Source qui développe cette architecture autour d'un jeu d'instructions libre.

 

Il est plausible que la Chine intensifie ses efforts dans ce domaine en vue de créer un écosystème de microprocesseurs totalement indépendant des Etats-Unis et non plus seulement d'Intel. Un cœur de processeur utilisant un pareil jeu d'instructions ne pourrait en effet être facilement interdit d'import/export.

 

La souveraineté numérique n'est pas uniquement une question de discours ou d'argent : l'agilité et la compétence y ont toute leur place.

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RISC-V Boots Linux at SiFive

SiFive has taped out and started licensing its U54-MC Coreplex, its first RISC-V IP designed to run Linux. The design lags the performance of a comparable ARM Cortex-A53 but shows progress creating a commercial market for the open-source instruction set architecture.

A single 64-bit U54 core delivers 1.7 DMIPS/MHz or 2.75 CoreMark/MHz at 1.5 GHz. It measures 0.234 mm2 including its integrated 32+32KB L1 cache in a TSMC 28HPC process using a 12-track library.

A quad-core complex with a 2-MByte shared coherent L2 cache, Gbit Ethernet and DDR3/4 controllers and other peripherals measures ~30 mm2. SiFive will deliver a quad-core chip that includes an E51 management core that will ship in the first quarter on boards targeting software developers.

The single-issue, in-order U54 is expected to lag the performance of ARM’s dual-issue A53. By comparison, in late 2014 Freescale (now NXP) announced the QorIQ LS1043A, a midrange quad-core A53 running at 1.5 GHz delivering more than 16,000 CoreMarks at 6 W.

SiFive believes its part will be competitive in power and area efficiency. It also aims to innovate in its business model.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Open Source has reshaped core client and backend software development, data center design (with OCP), telecom infra (TIP) and is now reaching processors. #HardwareIsNotDead

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July 27, 2016 3:12 AM
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ARM: The $32B Pivot and Revolution

ARM: The $32B Pivot and Revolution | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

Today, ARM Holdings is a $1.5B company with +15% year-to-year growth, nice financials (such as 96.7% Gross Margin), and a 46.7% Operating Margin. (For all the details — perhaps too many — see this 2015 presentation.)

15B ARM-based chips for $1.5B revenue means that, on average, ARM gets a licensing revenue of 10 cents per chip, and spends a little less than of half of that, 4.7 cents, to generate such revenue. It sure beats today’s Windows PC business and its measly 5% to 7% Operating Margins in the best of cases.

ARM Holdings is doing well by any measure, but the price paid for an asset is supposed to reflect expectations of future gains. If we compound ARM’s 15% revenue growth over ten years we come up with $6B, a 4x revenue increase…so why is SoftBank willing to pay $32B, more than 20 times current revenue?

Masayoshi (Masa) Son, SoftBank’s founder, isn’t a wide-eyed, newly-rich entrepreneur looking to make — or lose — a quick buck. Having built a large PC software business, he diversified into telecoms in Japan and the US (SoftBank owns 80% of Sprint). He also holds a piece of Yahoo! which, if this weekend’s rumors are true, is soon to be rolled into Verizon.

Having survived the 2000 dot-com bubble and the 2008 financial crisis with a personal fortune estimated at $17B, Son isn’t shy about criticizing the short-term views of US investors and their fixation on “shareholder value” at the expense of other longer-term metrics and societal contributions.

With his accomplishments and maverick attitudes in mind, we must conclude that Son sees many more ARM-based chips in our future, some with a revenue-per-unit that’s higher than today’s 10 cents.

But where does he see them?

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Sometimes it helps looking backwards to understand where all of this might be going. So here is another Cambridge (UK) tech behemoth on the leave #ARMxit and as often, Jean-Louis Gassée very clearly sets the stage to understand the mechanics and feel the $ (sorry ¥) at work.

 

IMHO we in Europe should be looking at the consequences and go back (again) to the RISC world and discover how fast RISC-V is rising and maybe jump horses. Looks doable judging by the russian attempts on Baikal and the chinese success on LongSoon.

 

#HardwareIsNotDead

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April 3, 2018 12:24 PM
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SiFive, a San Francisco based provider of commercial RISC-V processor IP, raised a $50.6m Series C round

SiFive, a San Francisco based provider of commercial RISC-V processor IP, raised a $50.6m Series C round | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

SiFive, a San Francisco, CA-based provider of commercial RISC-V processor IP, raised $50.6m in Series C funding.

The round, which brings total funding to $64.1m, was led by existing investors Sutter Hill Ventures, Spark Capital and Osage University Partners alongside new investor Chengwei Capital, and strategic investors including Huami, SK Telecom and Western Digital and other companies.

Led by Naveed Sherwani, CEO, SiFive provides processor core IP based on the RISC-V instruction set architecture.

The company intends to use the funds to bring its technologies to the marketplace.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

Looks like RISC-V processor architecture is getting closer ; would it be a candidate for replacing Intel in Macs, as Apple did with ARM-based Ax chips for iDevices ?

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November 30, 2016 1:19 AM
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Samsung Possible Defection From ARM to RISC-V is a huge signal in the IoT chip war to come

Samsung Possible Defection From ARM to RISC-V is a huge signal in the IoT chip war to come | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

Could Samsung be the first big defection from ARM since the SoftBank takeover?

It was always thought that, when ARM relinquished its independence, its customers would look around for other alternatives.
The nice thing about RISC-V is that it’s independent, open source and royalty-free.
And RISC-V is what Samsung is reported to be using for an IoT CPU in preference to ARM.
Now SoftBank made a point of saying that its take-over of ARM was to get into IoT. If Samsung is now going to RISC-V for its IoT CPU, this affects the scale of Softbank’s aspirations and may persuade others to defect to RISC-V.
The Samsung RISC-V MCU is said to be aimed squarely at the ARM Cortex M0.
Nvidia and Qualcomm are already using RISC-V in the development of GPU memory controllers and IoT processors.
Although, as Intel found, it’s almost impossible to replace an incumbent processor architecture in a major product area, which means that ARM’s place as the incumbent architecture in cellphones is secure, at the moment there is no incumbent processor architecture in IoT or MCU – so these are up for grabs by any aspiring rival processor architecture.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

X86 architecture gave Intel dominance of the large PC market before hitting the smartphone wall.

Cortex architectures gave ARM dominance of the much larger smartphone market before hitting the SoftBank wall.

RISC-V may be the next architecture for the even much larger IoT market (in volume at least).

Intel is a US corporation, ARM was once a british company now under japanese flag : the nice thing with RISC-V is that it is an independent, open source, and royalty free architecture.

This will have consequences over the next decade in the computing race between the US and Asia (think Loogson and now ARM), and may be an opportunity for Europeans to step in and avoid to remain as "The Pacific" of cyber tests.

Philippe J DEWOST's curator insight, November 30, 2016 1:18 AM

X86 architecture gave Intel dominance of the large PC market before hitting the smartphone wall.

Cortex architectures gave ARM dominance of the much larger smartphone market before hitting the SoftBank wall.

RISC-V may be the next architecture for the even much larger IoT market (in volume at least).

Intel is a US corporation, ARM was once a british company now under japanese flag : the nice thing with RISC-V is that it is an independent, open source, and royalty free architecture.

This will have consequences over the next decade in the computing race between the US and Asia (think Loogson and now ARM), and may be an opportunity for Europeans to step in and avoid to remain as "The Pacific" of cyber tests.

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July 18, 2016 1:14 AM
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SoftBank is buying ARM for $32 billion — because everything’s a computer now

SoftBank is buying ARM for $32 billion — because everything’s a computer now | cross pond high tech | Scoop.it

Japan’s SoftBank is buying U.K.-based chip design firm ARM Holdings for about $32 billion, according to the FT.

Why? Everything is a computer now, and ARM has been one of the winners of the mobile revolution.

ARM designs chips — but doesn’t actually make them — for a huge variety of devices. It dominates the market for smartphones — Apple is a big client, as is Samsung — and its chips shows up in other consumer gadgets, as well as more-industrial-like devices and “internet of things” sensors.

The number of chips containing ARM processors reached almost 15 billion in 2015, up from about 6 billion in 2010.

The move is a big one for SoftBank CEO Masa Son after his would-be successor, former Google executive Nikesh Arora, stepped away from the company last month. (Talks presumably started while Arora was still there.)

One key question is whether other firms will let SoftBank purchase ARM or if there will be a bidding war. Apple, arguably ARM’s most important client, and Intel, which lost the mobile chip war to ARM, are both potential buyers.

The offer is already a generous multiple. As the FT notes, it’s some 70 times ARM’s net income last year. That’s around the same price-to-earnings ratio as Facebook stock.

Philippe J DEWOST's insight:

ARM takeover by SoftBank is the Tech Brexit of this summer.

This thunderstrike in a blue ocean (pardon me, sky) might trigger a war where we will all of a sudden remember how important it is having a war chest.

There are underlying geopolitics ongoing as evidenced by the progress made by the LongSoon chinese processor now powering world #1 Supercomputer.

It might also signal the beginning of the end of the ARM era, and should have more people focusing on open source silicon architectures such as RISC-V

Philippe J DEWOST's curator insight, July 18, 2016 3:58 AM

As Brexit has removed ARM from Europe, will it be left as the impotent witness of what we shall call an ARM's race ?

This news echoes the announcement of World's new #1 Supercomputer, that is chinese again, but more interestingly no longer features any Intel processor inside but domestic LongSoon chips.

The Silicon race is on its way to a US - Asia bipolar configuration, with Europe being left alone due to the combined effect of Brexit and ARMXit : time for investi(gati)ng (in) open source hardware architectures such as RISC-V ...