David Bohm on Mind vs Matter
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How mind and matter influence each other
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How Matter is Influenced by Meaning

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David Bohm about two concepts (Soma-significance and Signa-somatic) to explain the relationship between the mental and the physical.
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Mind Over Matter (2/3)

From 1.30-2.58:

 

David Bohm: Yes, if you say that all matter actually works from information, not merely matter in the nervous system or DNA matter working in the cell, but even the electron is forming from empty space being informed as it were by some unknown source of information which may be all over the space.

 

And then we can not have, there is no sharp division between thought, emotion and matter. You see that they flow into each other. Even in ordinary experience you have thought and emotion flow into a movement of matter in the body. Or the movement of matter in the body gives rise to emotion and thought right.

 

Now the only point is that present science has no idea how thought could directly affect an object which is not in contact with the body you see, or directly through some system.

 

But if you say that the entire ground of existence is enfolded in space, that all matter is coming out of that space, including ourselves, our brains, our thoughts … then the information might gradually …vades the space so that matter starts to, you could say that matter is always forming according to whatever information it has and therefore the thought process could alter that information content.

So I’d say that it does look possible though I think very careful experiments have to be done before we say that it actually does take place.

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Interview with Physicist David Bohm (Part 3/5)

From 4.28-8.12 min:


Bohm: The field drops off, but its effect does not. The effect only depends on the form, not on the intensity.


Interviewer: That is weird!


Bohm: That is not so weird. In fact it is very common, but we generally don’t pay attention to it. If you take for example a radio wave. Its effect calls up.


Now imagine a ship, guided by radar on an automatic pilot. The guidance does not depend on the intensity of the wave. It depends only on the form, we may say, that carries information.


The word information has two words ‘in’ and ‘form’. To put form in.


You only need a sensitive receiver. As long as it is received, it is essential the same program. What happens is, that the form of the radiowave puts form into the currence, forming the receiver.


The energy comes from the receiver, not from the radiowave. The radiowave is not pushing the ship around mechanically. The ship is moving under its own energy and responding to the form.


The radiowave is giving shape and form to its motion.


This goes back to an old idea of Aristotle who says there can be a formative cause. Now this is very common, we have it not only in radio. The computer has a form which is carried out in the process of … machinery.


You can have DNA, the form of the DNA determines, is carried to the RNA and determines the making of proteins. It is in all human experience. People do not push and pull each other around, except when they are violent.


They depend on the soud of waves to communicate, people move around because of that.


The point is that this is the most common form of experience and the mechanic business of pushing and pulling is more limited, but our experiences of the last few centuries, has us focussed on that as the main point. And saying we can always explain the other things through that.


But I am saying ‘maybe form is fundamental and the electron responds to this form’.
That explains not only the interference, it explains that the electron acts like a wave, it explains this non local business, it explains the superconductivity as the electrons move by the common pool of information, just as the balletdancers do.


So that means we have quite a different principle of explanation, this wavefunction which operates through form is closer to life then mind …The basic quality of mind, is that it responds to form and not to substance.


And therefore the electron has a mindlike quality. Not conscious as we know. Consciousness might depend on much higher organisations of this mindlike quality. Many mindlike fields could arise, which we don’t know, in human beings, in life and animals.


Interviewer: So what you are saying is that the physical universe is really more about information than about substance?


Bohm: Well, I am saying it is both. But information contributes fundamentally to the quality of substance.

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