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STEALTH MISSION CURIOSITY: Confirming Ancient Intelligence On Mars - full Movie (2h 8min)

Discover the facts behind the Governments secret mission "Stealth Mission - CURIOSITY," and the legitimate validation of ancient intelligence on Mars.

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Richard Hoagland's presentation about NASA's Curiosity Rover Is very interesting. Lots of good images pointing to the traces of existence of a civilization in this solar system that was FAR more advanced than we are...

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Researchers Discover the Blue Whirl, a New Type of Flame

Researchers Discover the Blue Whirl, a New Type of Flame | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

Naturally occurring fire tornadoes are scary, but a new clean-burning, controlled version could help clean oil spills 

 

Traditional fire whirls produced in forest fires or urban fires burn with a yellow color, which occurs when the fire is not able to completely consume its fuel and produces soot. Blue whirls, however, have access to more oxygen and completely combust their fuel, burning quickly and much more cleanly.

According to their paper, the researchers discovered the whirl while investigating the possibility of using fire whirls to clean up oil spills. As they produced the whirls using a stream of heptane gas pumped through a tray of water, they watched as the yellow swirl stabilized and settled into the stable blue phase. They believe that the stable blue whirl forms because of the water barrier.

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Interesting - we're discovering a new type of fire...

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Planet Nine may have tilted entire solar system except the sun

Planet Nine may have tilted entire solar system except the sun | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

The sun's spin isn't totally upright compared with the orbits of the planets. Could this be because a jealous, distant world shoved its siblings? 

 

A jealous Planet Nine may have shoved its siblings for attention. If a massive ninth planet exists in our solar system, it might explain why the planets are out of line with the sun. 

 

The eight major planets still circle the sun in the original plane of their birth. The sun rotates on its own axis, but surprisingly, that spin is tilted: the axis lies at an angle of 6 degrees relative to a line perpendicular to the plane of the planets. 

 

There are a few theories to explain this jaunty slant, including the temporary tug of a passing star aeons ago, or interactions between the magnetic fields of the sun and the primordial dusty disc that formed the solar system. But it is hard to account for why the sun’s spin is aligned the way it is relative to the planets. 

 

Two teams of astronomers have just announced a new explanation: a hypothetical massive planet in the outer solar system could be interfering with all the other planets’ orbits...

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Planet X - now going by the name of Planet Nine - may be a serious disturbing influence in our solar system... we just haven't found it yet on telescopes but the orbits and spin axis inclination of other planets point to its existence.

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All scientific papers to be free by 2020 under EU proposals

All scientific papers to be free by 2020 under EU proposals | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

All publicly funded scientific papers published in Europe could be made free to access by 2020, under a “life-changing” reform ordered by the European Union’s science chief, Carlos Moedas. 

 

The Competitiveness Council, a gathering of ministers of science, innovation, trade and industry, agreed on the target following a two-day meeting in Brussels last week.

 

The move means publications of the results of research supported by public and public-private funds would be freely available to and reusable by anyone.

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It is about time - research and learning has been held hostage by the science publishers for a long time. Even universities have trouble to afford all the information ...

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Nasa finding confirms Indian theory: Black holes are 'ultra hot balls of fire' - Firstpost

Nasa finding confirms Indian theory: Black holes are 'ultra hot balls of fire' - Firstpost | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

Recent observation by Nasa scientists of giant flares of X-rays from a black hole confirms theory that the black holes ultra hot balls of fire like our Sun. 

 

It came as a surprise when Nasa announced last month that two of its space telescopes caught a huge burst of X-ray spewing out of a super massive black hole. 

 

What is unique about this giant flare is it appeared to be triggered by the eruption of a massive corona (charged particles) from the "black hole". If nothing can get out of a black hole, how did the corona come out of it? 

 

Abhas Mitra, till recently head of theoretical astrophysics at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Mumbai and currently Adjunct Professor at the Homi Bhabha National Institute says Nasa's observation has only bolstered his theory that "true" black holes do not exist and that the so-called black holes are in fact hot balls of magnetized plasma...

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Here goes another one of conventional physics' holy cows, the black hole... they are just supermassive, and super-fast rotating, stellar objects.

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The Nassikas Superconducting Lorentz Thruster: Levitation with essentially zero power draw

The Nassikas Superconducting Lorentz Thruster: Levitation with essentially zero power draw | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

Here I would like to announce a new superconductor thruster idea that Dr. Nassikas has come up with which should be able to produce 30,000 to a million times more thrust than his version 1 thruster. The implications of this new thruster invention are mind boggling. To distinguish it from his earlier version, he refers to it as the Nassikas thruster II (version 2)...

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This could be a paradigm change in space propulsion. Thrust by purely electrical means... no propellants to expel.

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Mayak - Crowdfunded Russian Satellite Will Soon be “The Brightest Star in the Night Sky”

Mayak - Crowdfunded Russian Satellite Will Soon be “The Brightest Star in the Night Sky” | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

The “Mayak” or “Beacon” satellite is becoming one of the most successful crowd funding campaigns in Russia. 

 

Introduced by a group of aerospace engineers and supporters from Moscow’s University of Mechanical Engineering (MAMI), the campaign is currently in its final stages and is being tested before it is launched into space by the Soyuz-2 carrier rocket.

 

On Thursday the team declared they have raised more than 1.5 million rubles ($19,650) on the Boomstarter crowd funding platform, letting them finish the next stage of the satellite’s flight testing...

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The Russians are about to put a crowdfunded satellite into orbit that will be visible in the night sky ... brighter than any star.

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New study: A Mysterious Mammoth Carcass Could Change Human History

New study: A Mysterious Mammoth Carcass Could Change Human History | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

The carcass was remarkably well preserved, but something was clearly wrong. A rounded hole through the interior jugal. Deep incisions along the ribs. Dents in the left scapula. A broken mandible. 


This 45,000 year-old mammoth’s life ended violently at the hands of hunters. That wouldn’t be surprising—it’s well known that Pleistocene humans were expert mammoth killers—but for the location. It was excavated from a permafrost embankment at Yenisei bay, a remote spot in central Siberia where a massive river empties into the Arctic Ocean. 


“We [now] know that the eastern Siberia up to its Arctic limits was populated starting at roughly 50,000 years ago,” said Vladimir Pitulko, an archaeologist at the Russian Academy of Sciences and lead author on the study. “This makes our window into the remote part [of the planet] open wider.” 


The discovery challenges our current understanding of early human history. Archaeologists believe that the ability to survive in far northern climates was related to technological advancements, including the widespread adoption of ivory hunting spears. If those advances had already occurred 45,000 years ago, then people could conceivably have crossed the Bering Land Straight into North America around that time. By comparison, our current oldest evidence for humans in North America only dates back about 15,000 years.

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Human history - we don't have the whole story yet...

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Ancient Underground Labyrinth Discovered in Egypt: ‘Contains 3000 Rooms With Hieroglyphs’

Ancient Underground Labyrinth Discovered in Egypt: ‘Contains 3000 Rooms With Hieroglyphs’ | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

In 2008, a team of researches headed for Hawara, Egypt (55 miles south of Cairo), to investigate a lost subterranean labyrinth, described by many classic authors like Herodotus and Strabo. The legendary temple was said to contain 3000 rooms full of hieroglyphs and paintings. The Belgian-Egyptian expedition team brought the highest level of ground penetrating technology to scan the sand of Hawara and solve the enigma. 


The Mataha expedition (Mataha = labyrinth in Arabic) confirmed the presence of the underground temple just south of the pyramid of Amenemhat III... 



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The huge underground complex exists but it has not been excavated. We might learn a lot of ancient history once we explore...

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This physicist has a groundbreaking idea about why life exists

This physicist has a groundbreaking idea about why life exists | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

Popular hypotheses credit a primordial soup, a bolt of lightning, and a colossal stroke of luck. 

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But if a provocative new theory is correct, luck may have little to do with it. Instead, according to the physicist proposing the idea, the origin and subsequent evolution of life follow from the fundamental laws of nature and “should be as unsurprising as rocks rolling downhill.” 


The formula, based on established physics, indicates that when a group of atoms is driven by an external source of energy (like the sun or chemical fuel) and surrounded by a heat bath (like the ocean or atmosphere), it will often gradually restructure itself in order to dissipate increasingly more energy. This could mean that, under certain conditions, matter inexorably acquires the key physical attribute associated with life...

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The difference between animated matter and the 'inanimate' kind seems to be getting much more blurred... 

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The Electric Comet II -- Mysteries Deepen

This is the second segment of Episode 4, Symbol of an Alien Sky: The Electric Comet II documentary series. It provides an update of comet science, starting where our earlier documentary The Electric Comet left off.


Our objective in both comet documentaries is to contrast two perspectives—the Electric Comet Model and the “dirty snowball” Standard Model—all with a critical eye on predictive ability.

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We're learning new things about comets. Their rocky consistency and distant interaction with the sun practically exclude the old hypothesis that comets' tails are made of water melted and sublimated by the sun's heat. 


Conclusion: There are definitely electric interactions in space...

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How the Electric Plasma Universe Creates Galaxies and Stars

How the Electric Plasma Universe Creates Galaxies and Stars | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

A coherent theory of how galaxies and stars are created only exists in the Electric Plasma Universe - Dr Mae-Wan Ho 


It is quite difficult to get a coherent account of how galaxies are formed within Big Bang theory. 


One states [1]: “Galaxy formation is hypothesized to occur.... as a result of tiny quantum fluctuations in the aftermath of the Big Bang. The simplest model for this that is in general agreement with observed phenomena is the Λ-Cold Dark Matter cosmology; that is to say that clustering and merging is how galaxies gain in mass, and can also determine their shape and structure.” 


Another version tells us [2]: “There are two leading theories to explain how the first galaxies formed. The truth may involve a bit of both ideas. One says that galaxies were born when vast clouds of gas and dust collapsed under their own gravitational pull, allowing stars to form. The other, which has gained strength in recent years, says the young universe contained many small “lumps” of matter, which clumped together to form galaxies.” 


A third says [3]: “After the Big Bang, the Universe was composed of radiation and subatomic particles. What happened next is up for debate - did small particles slowly team up and gradually form stars, star clusters, and eventually galaxies? Or did the Universe first organize as immense clumps of matter that later subdivided into galaxies?”

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The Big Bang story tellers are pretty confused. Time to take a fresh look...

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This YouTube User Invented Dozens of “Perpetual Motion Machines”

This YouTube User Invented Dozens of “Perpetual Motion Machines” | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it
But the question is, do they work?
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Well, the question is not do they work but how do they work.


The laws of thermodynamics are about heat transfer. They do not say anything about gravity, magnetism or electricity, yet they are continually cited to "prove" perpetual motion (clever use of gravity for instance) can't possibly be real. What a line of argument!

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This YouTube User Invented Dozens of “Perpetual Motion Machines”
A YouTube by the name of Valeriy Ivanov, has created dozens of perpetual motion devices which are thought to be impossible. The thing that makes perpetual motion impossible is that of thermodynamics. Thermodynamics studies the relationship between work and energy of a system. There are two laws of thermodynamics, the first law is the change in a system’s internal energy is equal to the difference between the heat added to the system from its surroundings and work done by the system on its surroundings. The second law is the entropy of a closed system, or heat energy per unit temperature, increases over time toward some maximum value. So, all closed systems tend toward an equilibrium state (input equals output) in which entropy is at a maximum and no remaining energy is available to do work. Perpetual motion machines that violate the first law are known as perpetual motion Marion's of the first class, those who violate the second law are known as second class, although these machines invented by this youtuber are cool to watch and can go for a long time, they are not true perpetual motion machines.
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Long-Lost Nikola Tesla Drawings Reveal Map To Multiplication - CBS News

Long-Lost Nikola Tesla Drawings Reveal Map To Multiplication - CBS News | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

A recently discovered set of original Nikola Tesla drawings reveal a map to multiplication that contains all numbers in a simple to use system.


The drawings were discovered at an antique shop in central Phoenix Arizona by local artist, Abe Zucca. They are believed to have been created during the last years of Tesla’s Free Energy lab, Wardenclyffe.


Tesla is known for the quote “If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have the key to the universe.” It turns out that when the device is examined, the digital roots of the numbers in positions 3, 6, 9, and 12 constantly repeat the same sequence 3, 6, 9! Is this what Tesla was referring too? The self-organization of numbers and their digital roots? 


Its hard to say, but Grether seems to think so. “This breakthrough is phenomenal. If we could get students all over the globe to use this technique, to play with it, and help figure out how to use it, we could overcome our cultural aversion to Mathematics. Instead of memorizing the multiplication table, we could learn the positions of numbers and have a better understanding of how they work.”

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A bit of Tesla legacy - the patterns inherent in numbers - and they aren't necessarily decimal...

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The remains of a 200,000 year old advanced civilization found in Africa

The remains of a 200,000 year old advanced civilization found in Africa | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

The discovery was made in South Africa, around 150 km west of port Maputo. There, we find the remains of a huge metropolis that measures, according to tests, around 1500 square km. 

 

This ancient city is, according to researchers, part of an even larger community with about 10,000 square kilometers and is believed to have been constructed 160,000 to 200,000 years before Christ. 

 

According to Tellinger, it shows that the Sumerians and even the Egyptians inherited their knowledge from an earlier advanced civilization that lived at the southern tip of Africa more than 200,000 years ago… mining gold. 

 

They carved detailed images into the hardest rock, worshiped the sun, and are the first to have carved an image of the Egyptian Ankh – key of life and universal knowledge, 200,000 years before the Egyptian civilisation  came to light.

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We may find that there have been several civilisations on earth before our current one ... once we start to appreciate and learn to read the signs that were left behind. Anyway, here are the remnants of one located at the Southern tip of Africa that pre-dated ours by more than a hundred thousand years.

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Found: A Hidden Monument in the Center of Petra

Found: A Hidden Monument in the Center of Petra | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

Sarah Parcak, the space archaeologist, keeps finding new and exciting places, by looking down from above. 

 

In a new paperNational Geographic reports, she and colleague Christopher Tuttle describe a previously unknown monument that they found right in the middle of Petra.

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Space archaeologist ... discovers so-far-unknown historical site.

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GeoOrbital Wheel - Make your bike electric in 60 seconds

The Patent Pending GeoOrbital wheel is an evolution of the orbital wheel (the wheels on the TRON Motorcycles). The GeoOrbital wheel replaces a standard bicycle front wheel to turn your bike into a powerful electric bike in under 60 seconds. 

 

The GeoOrbital wheel is compatible with nearly every bicycle. We have tested it on hundreds of bikes of all different styles from all different eras. The wheel comes in 2 sizes to cover over 95% of all adult sized bicycles.

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Let the battery do some of that work...

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India to launch its reusable spaceplane in May

India to launch its reusable spaceplane in May | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

The Indian Space Research Organisation has announced that it is on track to launch its first reusable spaceplane as early as May 2016.

 

The Reusable Launch Vehicle (RLV) is scheduled to conduct maiden flight to evaluate various technologies needed to develop a fully reusable space vehicle.

 

 

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We have a lot of catching up to do with our space travel technology. India is getting in on the act developing its own unmanned shuttle.

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The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

Modern astronomy and cosmology ignores electricity and misinterprets redshift. 

 

There is a revolution just beginning in astronomy/cosmology that will rival the one set off by Copernicus and Galileo.  This revolution is based on the growing realization that the cosmos is highly electrical in nature.  It is becoming clear that 99% of the universe is made up not of "invisible matter", but rather, of matter in the plasma state.  Electrodynamic forces in electric plasmas are much stronger than the gravitational force. 

 

    Mainstream astrophysicists are continually “surprised” by new data sent back by space probes and orbiting telescopes.  That ought to be a clue that something is wrong.  New information always sends theoretical astrophysicists "back to the drawing board".  In light of this, it is curious that they have such "cock-sure" attitudes about the infallibility of their present models.  Those models seem to require major "patching up" every time a new space probe sends back data. 

 

    Astrophysicists and astronomers do not study experimental plasma dynamics in graduate school.  They rarely take any courses in electrodynamic field theory, and thus they try to explain every new discovery via gravity, magnetism, and fluid dynamics which is all they understand.  It is no wonder they cannot understand that 99% of all cosmic phenomena are due to plasma dynamics and not to gravity alone. 

 

    When confronted by observations that cast doubt on the validity of their theories, astrophysicists have circled their wagons and conjured up pseudo-scientific invisible entities such as neutron stars, weakly interacting massive particles, strange energy, and black holes.  When confronted by solid evidence such as Halton Arp's photographs that contradict the Big Bang Theory, their response is to refuse him access to any major telescope in the U.S. 

 

    Instead of wasting time in a futile battle trying to convince entrenched mainstream astronomers to seriously investigate the Electric/Plasma Universe ideas, a growing band of plasma scientists and engineers are simply bypassing them.  A new electric plasma-based paradigm that does not find new discoveries to be “enigmatic and puzzling”, but rather to be predictable and consistent with an electrical point of view, is slowly but surely replacing the old paradigm wherein all electrical mechanisms are ignored. 

 

    This web site is dedicated to explaining the basis of this ongoing scientific shift...

A good place to start your research into the electric nature of the universe. Here's the link againA good place to start your research into the electric nature of the universe.

 

http://electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm

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A good place to start your research into the electric nature of the universe.

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Viktor Schauberger - Comprehend and Copy Nature - how to use the natural spiral flow of water...

This is a video by German filmmaker Franz Fitzke put online by http://www.cosmicpolymath.com/viktor-schauberger.html  

The documentary pulls together what we know of Viktor Schauberger's life and work with water. Schauberger was WAY ahead in his comprehension of natural motion and cycles.


Today we are just re-discovering what was first found almost a century ago. 

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Schauberger - a great teacher of natural processes, especially with regard to the flow of water but also in agriculture...

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Case made for 'ninth planet' - BBC News

Case made for 'ninth planet' - BBC News | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

American astronomers say they have strong evidence that there is a ninth planet in our Solar System orbiting far beyond even the dwarf world Pluto.  


The team, from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), has no direct observations to confirm its presence just yet. 


Rather, the scientists make the claim based on the way other far-flung objects are seen to move. 


But if proven, the putative planet would have 10 times the mass of Earth. 


The Caltech astronomers have a vague idea where it ought to be on the sky, and their work is sure to fire a campaign to try to track it down.


Here is the announcement from CatTech:


https://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523

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An object in the outer reaches of the solar system... well, let's see it. Find its trajectory.

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Protecting Earth and A Better Way to Mars

Protecting Earth and A Better Way to Mars | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

The following 3-prong idea leverages the possible advantages that could come from creating new infrastructure at the L-1 Lagrangian point in space.  Here we can create new infrastructure to save and also power our planet and as a bonus find a better way to go to Mars. Not a bad—in fact may be a great 3-in-l solution.


L-1 can indeed be a lower cost and safer way to Mars, an excellent location for a solar power satellite, and viable way to create a solar shield for Earth. This will be essential when the natural shielding from the Van Allen Belts is greatly diminished as the world’s magnetic poles flip.


The answer advocated here is what I called STAMPSS (STaging Area to Mars and Protective Solar Screen). 


The L-1 Point can act as the Staging Area for Missions to Mars and Creation of the “Solar Shield” for Earth. This is the most suitable place in space to locate at least three facilities...

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Some satellites or even a space station in a gravity-free point between the sun and the earth could come in quite handy in the future, says Joe Pelton.

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‘Cosmic Web’ or Cosmic Electricity Grid

‘Cosmic Web’ or Cosmic Electricity Grid | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

Observations on the largescale structure of the Universe over the past decades have given rise to the notion of the ‘cosmic web’, which is nothing if not the cosmic electricity grid of the Electric Plasma Universe - Dr Mae-Wan Ho 


There is no starker contrast between the Big Bang and the Electric Plasma Universe.


Big Bang cosmology developed when the Universe could only be seen dimly through light emitted in the visible electromagnetic spectrum, a narrow band less than one octave between 390 and 700 nm.


Since the 1970s, space research has extended our vision enormously in an electromagnetic spectrum spanning some 30 octaves - from radio waves, microwaves, and infrared at one extreme to ultraviolet, x-rays and γ-rays at the other, all emitted by magnetized plasmas, and on timescales of split seconds to minutes, hours, and days.


Instead of a static Big Bang Universe stuffed with dead dark matter and dark energy, the Electric Plasma Universe is alive and shimmering, flashing, often bursting with unrivalled brilliance...

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Major change coming in the way we view the universe. Einstein's gravity centred description of the universe is no longer sufficient. There are electric and magnetic forces out there that shape matter into galaxies, stars and planets...

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The 2000 Year-Old Computer - Decoding the Antikythera Mechanism (2012)

The Antikythera Mechanism Research Project: http://www.antikythera-mechanism.gr/

Latest news on the Antikythera Mechanism: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229724-300-wearable-submarine-to-hunt-for-2000-year-old-computer/?full=true

Guardian science podcast from 9/2/15: http://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2015/feb/09/antikythera-proto-computer-roman-ship-archaeology

Smithsonian Magazine article from February 2015: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/exploring-titanic-ancient-world-180953977/?no-ist

Jo Marchant's book on the subject: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/280-4400711-9587612?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Decoding%20the%20Heavens%3A%20Solving%20the%20Mystery%20of%20the%20World%27s%20First%20Computer

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Some history of technology ... the Greeks had incredible mathematical and constructive knowledge and made an astronomical computer. Some of the tech then apparently filtered out to the Arab world and then made it back to Europe in time to inspire the first watch makers ...

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The "Impossible" Dunes of Comet 67P | Space News

The comet 67P has provided an avalanche of astonishing discoveries that may puzzle scientists for years to come.


And one problem that will simply not go away is the seemingly impossible dunes, or dune-like ripples at the comet’s neck. At its first observation, the feature drew virtual gasps of disbelief from scientists and science media.


More recent, close-up images of the “impossible” dunes have only deepened the mystery. How does the electric universe explaining this baffling feature?

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Our picture of the universe is changing ... comets and electricity

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Prominent scientists sign declaration that animals have conscious awareness, just like us

Prominent scientists sign declaration that animals have conscious awareness, just like us | Science, Space, and news from 'out there' | Scoop.it

An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus.


But will this make us stop treating these animals in totally inhumane ways?

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Animals are conscious ... as are humans. 

The scientists are still a bit confused as to what consciousness is exactly, but this declaration is a step in the right direction ... we should treat animals with consideration. 

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