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Welsh tax powers ups the pace for Scotland and greater devolution

Welsh tax powers ups the pace for Scotland and greater devolution | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
David Cameron and Nick Clegg have visited Wales to unveil plans for new tax and spending powers for the Welsh assembly, raising the stakes on devolution across the UK and next September's Scottish independence vote...
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Despite the pant-wetting excitement of unionist politicians, this latest piece of (merely proposed) constitutional tinkering has no bearing whatever on Scotland's independence referendum. The referendum ballot offers no option for further devolution. The British parties have no proposals for further devolution. And there is absolutely no rational reason to suppose that further devolution will be delivered if the people of Scotland vote for the status quo.

Why would the British government hand over powers that it has fiercely resisted handing over when the people of Scotland have forfeited the only leverage they have to secure more powers? It makes no sense.

The other fallacy in all of this is that any further devolution which the British state might grant could ever be a substitute for independence. The whole point of popular sovereignty is that it is for the people of Scotland to decide what powers their parliament should have and what powers might be delegated to some other assembly. Having powers grudgingly and gracelessly doled out by Westminster is not a solution to the problem. It is the problem!

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Jim Arnott's curator insight, November 1, 2013 8:19 AM

If Westminster thinks Scots will fall for this they are very much mistaken. Even Scottish politicians are stating that if Scotland votes against independence it is more than likely that Westminster will give Scotland less "pocket money" is will cut the amount of money Scotland gets back from Westminster. Margaret Curran has even suggested the Barnet Formula will suffer. There is only one way to avoid this:

 

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The Scottish independence referendum and the debate about Scotland's constitutional future
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Politics Scotland

Politics Scotland | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Referendum 2014 will be winding down over the next week. Although the site will be retained as an archive, no new material will be posted after Sunday 21 September.


I would like to thank everyone who has supported this site.


For news, blogs, analysis and commentary on the aftermath of Scotland's independence referendum, please follow Politics Scotland - http://www.scoop.it/t/politics-scotland.

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Sheridan's rallying call to Yes supporters: vote SNP next year and aim for 2020 indyref

Sheridan's rallying call to Yes supporters: vote SNP next year and aim for 2020 indyref | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Solidarity leader Tommy Sheridan has tonight urged pro-indy voters to unify around the SNP at next year's general election.
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There is a Better Way: The Vow & further powers - what next?

There is a Better Way: The Vow & further powers - what next? | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

With respect to new powers, there is a  trust problem for the three main devolution parties.  STUC itself was highly critical of the timing and presentation of the devolution proposals and the Vow. This mistrust of government is not confined to the 45% yes voters in the referendum.

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The Scottish Citizen: The Scottish Referendum and its aftermath. Feelings of absolute desolation, anger, disbelief and betrayal.

The Scottish Citizen: The Scottish Referendum and its aftermath. Feelings of absolute desolation, anger, disbelief and betrayal. | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Know that you are not alone in your feelings of desoltation, anger, disbelief and betrayal over the outcome of the Scottish Independence Referendum. I too am in many ways ashamed and embarassed for Scotland.
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The devo pact unravels

The devo pact unravels | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
THE three Unionist parties were last night at each other's throats over constitutional reform, as a row over "English votes for English laws" threatened to derail the timetable for more devolution that was promised after a No vote.
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The reality is that there never was a "devo pact". There was just a gaggle of British politicians making whatever noises they thought necessary to dupe or scare people into voting No. There was no formal agreement. There were no actual powers on offer. There never was any "guarantee". The "timetable" was utterly meaningless. The whole thing was a rather clumsy exercise in political smoke and mirrors. But it was enough to sway the timorous and the gullible.


Against reason and against the lessons of history, many people allowed themselves to be persuaded that another round of constitutional tinkering might actually be both possible and effective in delivering a satisfactory constitutional settlement for Scotland.


Let's not mince words. These people are fools. Many have realised already just how foolish they have been. Over the coming weeks and months it will become increasingly difficult for others to avoid the same conclusion.


We should harbour no bitterness towards those No voters who realise their error. After all, they were subject to the full weight of the British establishment - politicians, media and big business - all telling the to be afraid and plying them with shiny baubles that looked for all the world like firm commitments to those with no time to examine them due to having important soap-operas to watch.

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So the union is secure for a generation after the referendum? I wouldn't be so sure, Mr Cameron

So the union is secure for a generation after the referendum? I wouldn't be so sure, Mr Cameron | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
When I hear politicians asserting that an issue has been settled "for a generation", I reach for my bag of salt. That's been the mutual line of David Cameron and Ed Miliband since they learned that the Scots had decided against divorce. Done and dusted, put to bed, settled "for a generation". On that, at least, the Tory and Labour leaders are agreed. Alex Salmond has put ice on the bun of pro-union politicians by stepping down as SNP leader and suggesting that he does not expect to see another independence referendum in his lifetime.
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The referendum is over but the energy persists

The referendum is over but the energy persists | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Scottish News, News Scotland - Politics, Referendum, Economy, Culture and intelligent opinion | Newsnet Scotland, uniquely Scottish
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It is disappointing to find otherwise intelligent people persisting in the fantasy that meaningful progressive change can be effected within the context of a British state which has evolved largely to fulfil the purpose of resisting meaningful change of any kind.


People like Lesley Riddoch bear considerable responsibility for the Yes campaign's defeat in the referendum. A significant proportion of those voting No did so because they bought into the deluded notion that a No vote could yet have a positive outcome for Scotland. Many of them have already disabused themselves of this notion. When will Lesley Riddoch catch up?


Let us not be diverted from our course by those whose naive idealism renders them blind to realpolitik. Let us keep our focus on the prize of independence for our nation.

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Scotland referendum: who voted YES?

Scotland referendum: who voted YES? | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
What did the yes voters in the Scottish referendum have in common? These things.
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BBC George Square reports challenged by images and eye witness accounts

BBC George Square reports challenged by images and eye witness accounts | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
BBC news reports of a violent disturbance that took place in Glasgow's George Square following the independence referendum have been challenged after images and eye-witness accounts appeared to back claims that the violence was perpetrated by pro-Union thugs.
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The Straw that broke democracy's back

The Straw that broke democracy's back | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

There are many things wrong with this piece by Jack Straw, but the title and related text are the most significant part, so I’ll only talk about that just now.

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Joyce McMillan: Is No vote fear over common sense?

Joyce McMillan: Is No vote fear over common sense? | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
CIVIL society should now look carefully at the victors’ hurried plans, writes Joyce McMillan
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EXPOSED!! SCOTTISH VOTE FOR iNDEPENDENCE RIGGING - Smoking Gun Evidence of Vote Being Rigged! - YouTube

Snap it, Tag it, Share it... https://www.leafit.biz/jmvd n Dundee, a strong YES area, the count was suspended twice due to fire alarms. The turnout in the st...
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I had discounted claims of vote-rigging until I saw this.

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A lie won't fly

Scots voted No, in the end, on a ‘vow’ of greater devolution. Every Scot I have spoken to understands that the promised transfer of power can only take place if the books are balanced and Scots no ...
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Eric Joyce misses the crucial point that has bedevilled the SNP's self-imposed convention of not voting on England-only legislation. So long as Scotland remains in the union and Westminster controls our budget there are many areas of superficially England-only legislation which can have profound implications for Scotland's finances.


There surely comes a point at which ever more desperately contrived constitutional tinkering with sole purpose of preserving the old order and the old ways regardless of the consequences for democracy becomes so complex and problematic that even people like Eric Joyce have to recognise that the union is broken beyond repair.

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The going of Alex Salmond | Snowblog | Snowblog

The going of Alex Salmond | Snowblog | Snowblog | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

We might have been sitting in an undertaker’s waiting room. Something was afoot. You could have cut the air with a knife.

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Here's how an independent Scotland could still happen - in 8 steps

Here's how an independent Scotland could still happen - in 8 steps | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
We might have had a ‘No’ vote in last week’s Scottish independence referendum, but the political crisis which is following it means the nationalists’ cause isn’t dead in the water just yet.
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Why is the British press only now realising - or admitting - the inevitable consequences of the British parties' behaviour throughout the referendum campaign.

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Leader: Yes movement has power to shape Scotland

Leader: Yes movement has power to shape Scotland | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
IN A timely and important column in this newspaper today, former SNP frontbencher Andrew Wilson calls on the Nationalists and their colleagues in the wider Yes movement to engage with new efforts to secure more powers for Holyrood “as builders, not wreckers”.
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Is this the first time The Scotsman has acknowledged "the wider Yes movement"? Looks very much like they are trying to retrieve some of the credibility they lost during the campaign.


IT'S TOO BLOODY LATE!

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Lloyds still considering leaving Scotland despite No vote

Lloyds still considering leaving Scotland despite No vote | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
One source said Lloyds would continue to consider the issue as Westminster and Holyrood hammer out the terms of increased devolution to Scotland.
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Darling's 'disgust' at ugly scenes

Darling's 'disgust' at ugly scenes | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
ALISTAIR Darling yesterday distanced Better Together from the ugly clashes in Glasgow's George Square, insisting those involved were not connected to the anti-independence campaign.
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Alistair Darling chose to associate himself with these British nationalist thugs when he agreed to be the front-man for their vile, intolerant cause. He won't free himself of the stink of this association with a couple of squirts of political Febreeze.

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Senior party figures back Nicola Sturgeon SNP leadership bid

Senior party figures back Nicola Sturgeon SNP leadership bid | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Ms Sturgeon has not yet said if she will put herself forward for the post of SNP leader and first minister
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We have witnessed a total breakdown in political legitimacy

We have witnessed a total breakdown in political legitimacy | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Our current relief is the product of lowered expectations. Without the fortnight which preceded it, last night's Scottish independence referendum result would be seen for what it is: an appalling breakdown of political legitimacy.

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'We Couldn't Have Designed A Worse Fucking Campaign'

'We Couldn't Have Designed A Worse Fucking Campaign' | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
On Monday morning, I bumped into a senior member of the shadow cabinet, who was standing with a pair of aides to Ed Miliband at Euston station, all of them clutching trolley bags. "We're off to save the union," said the shadow minister, wit...
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Only those looking at Scotland's referendum campaign through the distorting lens of the British media imagine that Gordon Brown was a significant player. So-called journalists regurgitate the overblown hagiographies supplied to them by Brown's media manipulators apparently totally convinced that they are providing some uniquely perspicacious insight into Scotland's politics. They are embarrassingly wrong. But evidently content to be so.

These are the same fools who hear Cameron say that the union has been saved "for a generation" and accept this as unchallengeable fact for no better reason that it has oozed from the lying mouth of a senior British politician. Just as it never occurred to these self-appointed expert commentators and analysts to question any of the propaganda pumped out by the British state in the course of the referendum campaign, so they don't think to challenge the received wisdom of their treasured highly-placed sources.

Unsurprisingly, those sources take advantage of the fawning deference afforded them by indolent hacks who will guzzle whatever titbits are offered to them and then spit these out onto the mainstream media untasted and undigested.

There is a reality to which these self-styled political correspondents remain blind due their insistence on looking to London to see what is happening in Scotland. That reality is that membership of pro-independence parties in Scotland has soared in the few days since the referendum. Far from disintegrating in the face of defeat, the Yes campaign continues to grow and develop. Demand for another referendum is growing apace and will soon become irresistible. And all of this is happening with London-based journalists even being aware of it.

It is not only British Labour that needs to learn lessons from Scotland's independence referendum campaign. The British media should also be taking a long hard look at itself. But we all know that isn't going to happen.

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David Cameron wants Scottish MPs barred from voting on finance questions as referendum changes Britain

David Cameron wants Scottish MPs barred from voting on finance questions as referendum changes Britain | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
In the wake of the independence referendum result, the Prime Minister signalled a general election battleground
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Ed Miliband says more powers for the Scottish Parliament "No ifs! No buts!". But all we are hearing from the British parties is an endless list of "ifs" and "buts".

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Thousands sign up to pro-independence parties after referendum

Thousands sign up to pro-independence parties after referendum | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Almost 5,000 Scots joined the SNP and 1,200 signed up to the Scottish Greens.
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It's my birthday - is it too much to ask for a little peace to enjoy it?

The last pledge lasted about 20 minutes and half way through David Cameron's speech on the #indyref result. When he got to the part about it being time to answer the West Lothian question as well ...
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Issue of Independence to Return If Devolution Promises Ignored: Reports

Issue of Independence to Return If Devolution Promises Ignored: Reports | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Alex Salmond, former Scottish prime minister who quit two days after the victory of the 'No' campaign, has stated that 'No' voters were 'tricked' by Westminster's assurances of more devolution, Sky News reported Sunday.
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Generation Yes say: we'll never forget this...we don't want to give up now

Generation Yes say: we'll never forget this...we don't want to give up now | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
The referendum may have ended with a No vote, but for the young activists of Generation Yes the fight for independence will go on.
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