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The Scottish independence referendum and the debate about Scotland's constitutional future
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Colin Fox: The Queen in an independent Scotland

Colin Fox: The Queen in an independent Scotland | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
LONG live the Queen – but not in an independent Scotland, writes Colin Fox
Peter A Bell's insight:

What Colin Fox sees as a flaw in the the draft constitution I see as a cleverly contrived opportunity. Let me explain.

We must first accept that there was no way we would be having this referendum if it explicitly involved Scotland becoming a republic. To be more precise, we would not be having the referendum under the conditions that now prevail. There would have been no Edinburgh Agreement. No British Prime Minister would ever have put his signature to a document which threatened to undermine the monarchy. At least, not knowingly.

Without the Edinburgh Agreement, a Yes vote would have been open to all manner of challenges. The Edinburgh Agreement is crucial to the plan to restore Scotland's rightful constitutional status. That document puts unprecedented power in the hands of the people of Scotland. A Yes vote cannot realistically be denied. But arguments about the monarchy would nonetheless be a distraction we can well do without.

What is clever about the draft constitution is that it defuses arguments about the monarchy by accepting its continuation while simultaneously making it impossible.

There is simply no constitutional formulation which can allow monarchy, as conceived by the British state, and popular sovereignty to coexist. The two concepts are totally incompatible and mutually exclusive.

The first line of Scotland's new constitution will state that the people of Scotland are sovereign. That ultimate political authority rests with them and cannot be vested elsewhere. The British monarchy will not be able to accept the implications which this article implies for its status. The British state will not be able to accept such a condition as it fatally undermines the basis of its political authority - namely, the Crown in Parliament.

The Scottish Government does not need to abolish the monarchy in Scotland. The monarchy will cease to be as an inevitable part of the process of writing our constitution.

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Expressway To Fear

DOOM! "Blair Stewart, head of the company’s Edinburgh Residential Department, said: 'Going by the current movement in property market, I should think there will be a three to five per cent growth i...
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Vote Yes and lose the monarchy? Imagine my distress!


I can only vote Yes once!

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Joyce McMillan: Crowning an independent Scotland

Joyce McMillan: Crowning an independent Scotland | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Evidence suggests it is perfectly possible to combine independence with retaining the monarchy, writes Joyce McMillan
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Peter Jones: Vision of an independent republic

Peter Jones: Vision of an independent republic | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Aileen Campbell hints at an independent Scotland where people power can truly come to the fore, writes Peter Jones
Peter A Bell's insight:

Will these idiots never learn!? Alex Salmond is NOT asking the people of Scotland to vote for any "kind of Scotland" other than one which has the normal constitutional status of a nation.

It is not Alex Salmond's referendum anyway. It belongs to the people of Scotland. He deserves much of the credit for delivering it against the anti-democratic efforts of the British parties. But he has no more claim than that.

Is there any possibility that people like Peter Jones will ever get it through their heads that the referendum is not about the character of an independent Scotland. It is about what forces will shape that character. Will it be a government that we have rejected at the polls and which is proven to work against the interests of the people of Scotland? Or will it be the people of Scotland themselves?

Cue dumb incomprehension from the serried ranks of mainstream journalists in Scotland.

I despair!

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Scottish independence: ‘Spell out monarchy views’

Scottish independence: ‘Spell out monarchy views’ | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
The leaders of the official Yes campaign in the independence debate should spell out their views on the monarchy, the Tories have said.
Peter A Bell's insight:

Is Jackson Carlaw entirely well? He can't remember Elaine C Smoth's real name. He's quite unable to use the word "independence". And he seems to have not the slightest idea what Yes Scotland is.

If the House of Lords serves any purpose at all then surely it is as a repository for politicians in decline.

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Unfortunate juxtaposition

Unfortunate juxtaposition | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

From a heavily-spun Huffington Post piece on Scotland’s relationship with the monarchy, in which Dennis Canavan expressing an opinion when asked a question becomes an “outburst”. You know the sort of thing. (Also reported in the Telegraph as “Yes camp in disarray”, before a hasty rewrite.)

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Scottish independence: Call for vote on monarchy

Scottish independence: Call for vote on monarchy | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
THE chairman of the Yes campaign has reopened the debate about the future of the monarchy by declaring that Prince George should never be king of an independent Scotland.
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James McLaren's comment, July 29, 2013 1:46 AM
Man of principles and a conscience. What a disgrace which must be attacked by the unionistas and their pet poodle the MSM
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Queen 'should have Scottish coronation to symbolise role'

Queen 'should have Scottish coronation to symbolise role' | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
The Church of Scotland's General Assembly discussed the independence referendum on Thursday.
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Answering your questions on the monarchy

Answering your questions on the monarchy | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Why is it assumed that a newly independent Scotland would necessarily be a monarchy?

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Scottish independence: Ditch the Queen, Salmond told

Scottish independence: Ditch the Queen, Salmond told | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
THE QUEEN should not be head of state of an independent Scotland, the chairman of the pro-independence Yes campaign has said.
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SCOT goes POP!: The intrinsic value of constitutional referenda

SCOT goes POP!: The intrinsic value of constitutional referenda | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

After all the Jubilee 'excitement' last week, I speculated that it would be a deeply traumatic experience for some royalists if they ever had to go through a referendum on retaining the monarchy, in spite of the likelihood that they would win handsomely.

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Vote! Monarchy or Republic?

If it were down to broadcasters, they'd have us believe that everyone loves the Queen and everyone thinks she makes the ideal Head of State. Even Prince Charles appears to be in a process of rehab...
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We don't want a Queen of Scots, say senior Nat

We don't want a Queen of Scots, say senior Nat | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
UK News :: We don't want a Queen of Scots, say senior Nat - Breaking news from around the UK...
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SNP minister: 'Independent Scotland may not keep the Queen' - Telegraph

SNP minister: 'Independent Scotland may not keep the Queen' - Telegraph | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Justice Minister, suggests there could be a referendum on retaining the monarchy as the head of state if Scots vote for independence in September this year.
Peter A Bell's insight:

Like any other British nationalist Simon Johnson appears utterly baffled by the concept of popular sovereignty. This highlights yet again the fact that Scotland has a political culture quite distinct from that of the British state. While Britnats like Johnson are splutteringly appalled by the notion of the people being the ultimate political authority, here in Scotland this is generally regarded as normal, right and proper.


Kenny MacAskill's suggestion that there might be a referendum on the monarchy at some point after the restoration of Scotland's constitutional status is wholly unremarkable and in no way contradicts the Scottish Government's stated policy. The referendum on Thursday 18 September is not about the monarchy. It is about bringing Scotland's government home and affirming that the people of Scotland alone have the legitimate right to determine the powers of their parliament.

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Blow for Better Together as leading figure admits he could vote Yes

Blow for Better Together as leading figure admits he could vote Yes | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Scottish News, News Scotland - Politics, Referendum, Economy, Culture and intelligent opinion | Newsnet Scotland, uniquely Scottish
Peter A Bell's insight:

I have always been a bit dubious about Mike Dailly. While he seemed to take a principled stand against the bedroom tax his argument that the Scottish Government should fund it was so fatally flawed that it had to either be politically motivated or the product of some seriously confused thinking.

That confused thinking is evident again in Mr Dailly's remarks regarding the monarchy. It seems that he passionately believes that the monarchy should be abolished. But, come the referendum, he intends to vote in a way which ensures that we will never get rid of the monarchy.

What kind of republican is it who is happy to support the British state and the structures of power and privilege which define it? Surely Mr Dailly cannot be oblivious to the fact that a No vote will be represented by the UK government as an affirmation of all that he purports to despise.

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Margo MacDonald: Monarchy question cannot be ducked

Margo MacDonald: Monarchy question cannot be ducked | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Guess what’s the hot topic in the referendum campaigns so far?
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I'm not quite sure how Margo comes to imagine that the Yes campaign has failed to stress the fact that a Yes vote is but the start of a process. From what I've seen, which is a lot, this is a point that is being constantly stressed by every group that comes under the Yes Scotland umbrella - including the SNP.

And I'm a little perplexed too to find that Margo appears to imagine that there may be some process following a No vote which could include reviewing the role of the monarchy. Not going to happen this side of Hades hosting the Winter Olympics!

The only possibility of the place of this anachronism in our society being examined is AFTER Scotland's rightful constitutional status is restored. Until then, discussion of the topic may be interesting and even valuable in the context of developing ideas for the future. But it has little to do with the referendum debate. And may even be a distraction from it.

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Salmond bullied BBC over questions about Queen, Labour claims

Salmond bullied BBC over questions about Queen, Labour claims | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

THE First Minister has been accused of bully-boy tactics after he complained about a "sensationalist" BBC interview on the Queen and independence.

Peter A Bell's insight:

Once again the hapless Patricia Ferguson is assigned the task of making a bloody fool of herself on behalf of British Labour in Scotland. One can perfectly well understand why she would be called upon as she is just so good in the role of political clown.

Those of us who are not intellectually crippled by British Labour's rancid resentment of the SNP will look at the Scottish government's exchange with the BBC and see nothing more than the normal, everyday discourse that goes on between the corporation and all the governments in the UK.

It takes a special kind of idiot to perceive any kind of "bullying" in this. Fortunately, the British parties aren't at all deficient in that regard.

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The monarchy debate is an opportunity not a threat

No longer are we bored united. The heatwave seems to have sparked life into the constitutional debate, with folk prepared to discuss some of the meat and bones of what independence might mean.

Peter A Bell's insight:

It is not Yes Scotland that has “missed the point completely”. It is the author of this article. Yes Scotland is concerned solely with the referendum that will be held on Thursday 18 September 2014. That referendum is to decide whether or not Scotland should be an independent country. It is NOT a referendum on the monarchy. It CANNOT be a referendum on the monarchy.

It is indeed a healthy thing that matters such as the monarchy should be up for discussion. But it is simply wrong-headed to expect that the Yes campaign should engage with that debate to any extent greater than recognising that independence will give the people of Scotland the opportunity to decide for themselves how the head of state should be appointed. But the current and pressing debate is on the question of whether or not the people of Scotland are ready and willing to bring their government home. Nothing else!

Acknowledging that the monarchy will remain after independence is NOT repeating the policy position of the Scottish Government other than in the trivial sense that both positions acknowledge that this is how it must be. Independence Day plus one MUST be indistinguishable from Independence Day minus one for the glaringly obvious reason that NOBODY has a mandate to make it otherwise. And NOBODY will gain such a mandate as a result of the referendum.

By all means, discuss the monarchy, currency, EU, Nato and all the rest. But realise that this such discussion is quite separate from the debate on Scotland’s constitutional status. Discussion of these side issues, important as they may be, will only become relevant in the event of a Yes vote.

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Scottish independence: Support for monarchy vote

Scottish independence: Support for monarchy vote | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Growing numbers of independence supporters are backing a call from the chairman of the Yes campaign for a referendum on the future of the monarchy after ­independence.
Peter A Bell's insight:

Patrick Harvie complains that we are not having a discussion on how we appoint a head of state. Bizarrely, he does so while engaging in a discussion on how we appoint a head of state.

There has always been a republican strand to Scotland's civic nationalist movement. So the matter of the monarchy has long been part of the debate. But on 18 September 2014 we vote on one issue only. We are not going to be voting on the monarchy. Neither will we be voting on a new constitution or Trident or our currency or any issues of policy.

On 18 September 2014 we will be voting solely on the question of who is the ultimate authority in such matters, a UK government that we more often than not have rejected at the polls, or the people of Scotland.

For the time being, the monarchy and all the rest are side issues. We can talk about such things as part of a wider discussion about the path our nation should take once it is free of the encumbrance of the British state. But all such talk will be for nothing if we do not first secure a Yes vote in the independence referendum.

It is good that those of us who have a vision for Scotland should give voice to our aspirations. But we should not lose sight of the main prize. Our primary objective is the affirmation by democratic means of the sovereignty of the people of Scotland and the restoration of Scotland's rightful constitutional status. All else depends on this.

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Charles Patrick O'Brien's comment, July 29, 2013 7:24 AM
Aye the monarchy is a vote on another day,me I say UP THE REPUBLIC.
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Comment: Scottish monarchy depends on people’s will

Comment: Scottish monarchy depends on people’s will | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
The future king would be wise to forge stronger ties with Scotland, writes Michael Fry
Peter A Bell's insight:

Michael Fry seems to imagine that the birth of this child somehow signals hope of a change in the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty that is at the very core of the British state and from which hangs all the power and privilege which is being so ferociously defended against the democratic challenge coming from Scotland. There seems to be only one appropriate response to this notion.

Dream on!

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Independent Scotland ‘will need own coronation’

Independent Scotland ‘will need own coronation’ | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
PRINCE Charles and future British monarchs should have a separate Scottish coronation if Scotland votes for independence, a Church of Scotland report says today.
Peter A Bell's insight:

Tell you what! Let's just not bother!

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Robin T Cox's comment, April 25, 2013 3:15 AM
What? And miss an opportunity for King Charles' Scottish subjects to express their love and appreciation for their monarch?
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A Cluster of Cells and a Form of Rule

A Cluster of Cells and a Form of Rule | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
We thought that @WingsScotland had neatly summarised the entire Royal pregnancy debate in this tweet: “Let me say this… a Royal baby is something the whole nation will celebrate” ...
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Genuine self-determination means acting like republicans now

Genuine self-determination means acting like republicans now | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
With just three days to the first Radical Independence Conference Allan Armstrong makes the case for a Scottish republic. Most people understand a republic to be a state without a monarch.
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MSPs vote to keep Queen as head of state if Scotland splits from UK - Politics - Scotsman.com

MSPs vote to keep Queen as head of state if Scotland splits from UK - Politics - Scotsman.com | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
AN attempt to reject the Queen as the head of state in an independent Scotland was overwhelmingly rejected by MSPs in a debate held at the Scottish Parliament to mark the monarch’s Diamond Jubilee.
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OUPblog » Blog Archive » On independence and the continuation of monarchy

OUPblog » Blog Archive » On independence and the continuation of monarchy | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

This week, Christine Grahame, convenor of the Scottish National Party’s Justice committee, has urged the linkage of the forthcoming Scottish referendum on independence to a referendum on the continuation of monarchy. Her proposal curiously mirrors discussions in the ruling circles of a once-revolutionary England.

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