Referendum 2014
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The Scottish independence referendum and the debate about Scotland's constitutional future
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Joining the Euro for idiots

Joining the Euro for idiots | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Britain and Scotland's journalists have set a high bar for stupid today, but this might take the biscuit. Almost every half-cut hack and so-called expert who talks about the currency options open t...
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Scottish independence: Darling challenged to withdraw 'false' euro claim

Scottish independence: Darling challenged to withdraw 'false' euro claim | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Former chancellor and chief of the anti-independence BetterTogether campaign, Alistair Darling, has been challenged by the pro-independence group YesScotland to "admit that he is wrong and withdraw his false assertion" over his repeated claims that an independent Scotland would be forced to join the euro.
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Contradictory statements reveal No camp hypocrisy | Scottish National Party

Contradictory statements reveal No camp hypocrisy | Scottish National Party | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
The anti-independence campaign faced accusations of "rank hypocrisy" as two of its most senior figures took to the airwaves to deliver contradictory statements on the euro.
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Senior European economist confirms that Scotland would not have to join euro

Senior European economist confirms that Scotland would not have to join euro | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Scottish News, News Scotland - Politics, Economy, Culture and intelligent opinion | Newsnet Scotland, uniquely Scottish...
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Independent Scotland could be forced to join euro, say SNP ex-leaders

Independent Scotland could be forced to join euro, say SNP ex-leaders | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

THE countries of the European Union could try to force an independent Scotland to join the euro currency as the price of membership, two former SNP leaders have warned.

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Poll puts pressure on Salmond over joining euro

Poll puts pressure on Salmond over joining euro | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Alex Salmond – who is refusing to reveal whether he has received potentially problematic legal advice on Scotland's future in the EU – suffered a setback last night after a new poll showed that the vast majority of Scots think he is wrong.
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Peter A Bell's comment, October 22, 2012 8:07 AM
The poll showing a majority of people in favour of the Scottish Government revealing whether it has obtained any legal advice on EU membership reflects the abject failure of the media to properly inform people on this issue. Totally committed to supporting any strategy of the anti-independence campaign, no matter how devious or dishonest, the media have been no more than a platform for Catherine Stihler's petty political mischief-making.

Not one so-called journalist or self-styled political analyst in the mainstream media has so much as questioned Stihler's case or her motives. Instead, they have compliantly taken up the childishly simplistic "right to know" mantra as a convenient stick with which to beat the hated SNP.

No-one in the mainstream media is bothering to explain the importance of the confidentiality of advice given to ministers. Nobody is pointing out that ALL governments support and adhere to the principle that ministers should be able to pursue every avenue in the process of policy formulation. Nobody is telling the public how important it is that those giving advice to ministers should be able to do so free from the concern that the advice they give will be selectively seized upon by politicians and misrepresented in the press for the purpose of providing a sensational headline.

No political commentator in the mainstream media is pointing out that Stihler knew full well the Scottish Government would have to refuse her FoI request. She knew this because she knows that if she was in government she too would be oblige to do likewise.

No political analyst is highlighting the fact that the FoI request was self-evidently vexatious and malicious. Done, not for the perfectly worthy purpose of serving the public interest, but for the sole purpose of trying to embarrass the administration.

None of the mainstream media will explain that the FoI request is, other than as a petty political ploy, totally pointless. They won't refer to the fact that whatever advice the Scottish Government might have it cannot tell us anything new about the issue because there is nothing new to tell. We already know what options will be available to the EU in dealing with the matter. There are no new options.

No political journalist in the mainstream media will tell you the fuss about "legal advice" is a nonsense because, ultimately, the decision on the post-independence status of Scotland AND rUK within the EU is a matter for politicians and not lawyers.

No political commentator will challenge the anti-independence narrative - lately peddled by failed Tory leader, Annabel Goldie on Brian Taylor's Big Debate - that the advice supposedly held by the Scottish Government MUST be "embarrassing" because that's the only motive for refusing to talk about it. A narrative which is totally dishonest because Goldie knows, just as her British labour ally, Stihler knows, both that there is a perfectly legitimate alternative explanation and that the advice cannot possibly be "embarrassing" in any case - because it can't be any different from the advice contained in the readily available Commons Library Standard Note SN06110.

There is certainly an unjustifiable withholding of information from the public here. But it is not on the part of the Scottish Government. It is the mainstream media which is failing to tell people what they need to know in order to arrive at an informed opinion.
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Brian Monteith: No place for Euro in independence - News - Scotsman.com

It’s a busy week for news; all those football teams going and losing on penalties; there’s the women grunting at Wimbledon of course; and there’s the Rangers soap opera – that makes River City look good (and that’s some feat).
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Scottish independence: Scotland must go into euro, expert claims - Politics - Scotsman.com

Scottish independence: Scotland must go into euro, expert claims - Politics - Scotsman.com | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
AN independent Scotland would have “no choice” other than to join the euro, according to one of the world’s foremost experts in economic competitiveness.
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Peter A Bell's comment, March 16, 2012 3:54 AM
One might wish that the British nationalists would at least try to maintain some consistency in their propaganda. One day we're told Scotland wouldn't be allowed to join the EU. Next day we're told Scotland would be forced to adopt the euro.

That neither scare-story is true matters little, of course. If there is one thing we know for sure it is that, when it comes to peddling their anti-independence propaganda, the mainstream media considers truth a luxury it simply cannot afford.
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Scotland Seeks Out Currency Options

Scotland Seeks Out Currency Options | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Scottish National Party (SNP) leader Alex Salmond said the most likely scenario would see Scotland retaining the pound temporarily. “This would allow Scotland to control taxes, spending and borrowing while the Bank of ...
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ERM – Automatic for the People?

ERM – Automatic for the People? | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

A repeated claim of the Better Together campaign (and a  whole lot more) is that “Scotland would have to try and renegotiate an opt out from the Euro”. That’s not true. Actually you’ve got to try and get into it [see Polly Curtis climb down here].

As we enter a prolonged debate about Europe, and the UK and Scotland’s role and attitudes to it, that’s worth clarifying. Did someone ask: what the hell actually is the ERM? Good question.

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Better Together EU chaos as Cameron comments leave Darling euro claims in tatters

Better Together EU chaos as Cameron comments leave Darling euro claims in tatters | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Claims by anti-independence parties that an independent Scotland would be forced to adopt the euro have descended into chaos after UK Prime Miniser David Cameron contradicted claims by his Better Together ally Alistair Darling on rules over the use of the single currency.
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Euro entry ‘is not a must’

Euro entry ‘is not a must’ | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
JOINING the Euro is not compulsory even for countries who have no legal opt-out, David Cameron reveals in a blow for the anti-indy campaign
Peter A Bell's insight:

Another British nationalist lie exposed.

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Senior economist: No state can be forced into Euro

Senior economist: No state can be forced into Euro | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Anti-independence politicians must stop their ‘silly scaremongering’ over claims that Scotland would be forced to join the Euro, the SNP has said, after a senior European economist confirmed that no EU country can be forced to join the Euro against its will.

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Peter A Bell: Right to know?

Peter A Bell: Right to know? | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Writing in The Independent today (Poll puts pressure on Salmond over joining euro), Hamish MacDonell continues to peddle the unionist propaganda line on the supposedly problematic issue of Scotland's membership of the European Union using a recent poll as a device. But he does not tell the whole story.

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Independent Scotland would not house Trident missiles, says Alex Salmond

Independent Scotland would not house Trident missiles, says Alex Salmond | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Scotland's first minister rejects suggestion that UK could keep nuclear weapons on Clyde if Scotland voted for independence...
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Will Scotland Drop Sterling for Euro?

Will Scotland Drop Sterling for Euro? | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Scotland’s centuries-old struggle with the "Auld Enemy"– England–is reaching a new chapter with renewed push for full Scottish independence.
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SNP’s fascination with the Euro and their misconceptions re EU integration.

SNP’s fascination with the Euro and their misconceptions re EU integration. | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

"Since the first SNP minority government, Mr Salmond has made numerous glaring blunders when dealing with issues on the economy."

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Pound, euro or groat: Scotland's currency options?

* SNP keen to keep currency union with UK* Euro membership argument blighted by debt crisis* Debt, North Sea oil revenues likely to cause controversyBy Nia Williams and Fiona ShaikhLONDON, Feb 16 (Reuters)...
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