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The Scottish independence referendum and the debate about Scotland's constitutional future
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Disappointing Welsh turnout for Dan Snow's 'Let's Stay Together' rally

Disappointing Welsh turnout for Dan Snow's 'Let's Stay Together' rally | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
By Daily Wales correspondent More than seven people turned up today to show Welsh support for Dan Snow’s ‘Let’s Stay Together’ campaign. The British nationalist presenter used the rallying event, h...

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So much for ‘moral purpose’: Throwing Wales under the bus | Future of the UK and Scotland: The Referendum Debate

So much for ‘moral purpose’: Throwing Wales under the bus | Future of the UK and Scotland: The Referendum Debate | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
In a piece that examines the implications of Scottish independence for Wales, Richard Wyn Jones makes an impassioned case for a fairer settlement for Wales.
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Looking up with envy

Looking up with envy | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Visiting Scotland by train has always been an uplifting experience for me. There’s something very special about crossing the border into Dumfries and taking in those spectacular vistas as the train...
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Wales in spotlight puts Scotland on edge

Wales in spotlight puts Scotland on edge | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Peter A Bell's insight:

I was rather amused by the notion that paying lip service to devolution might make the Tories more electable in Scotland. Why? If we want jam tomorrow promises we can get them from the marginally less toxic British Labour in Scotland. What possible reason might there be to turn to the Tories?

There is another underlying fallacy in this analysis. The fallacy that devolution can ever be a satisfactory substitute for independence. Unionists have grown fond of portraying devolution as an ongoing process. But this begs the question of where this process ends. Given their vehement opposition to independence, it is clear that unionists understand devolution as having limits. It can only be a continuing process up to a point. The difference between devolution and independence is that in the former case that limit is defined by the British state while in the latter it is something to be decided by the people of Scotland.

The idea of devolution as a continuing process but with limits is only meaningful if those limits are explicitly stated. Otherwise, the end point could be anywhere. It might even fall short of the existing devolved powers. We have no way of knowing.

The anti-independence campaign is trying to make a big thing of the suggested changes to powers for Wales. But looking at it realistically there is really no significance at all for the debate about Scotland's constitutional status. It changes nothing. There is no more reason now than there was previously to believe that any of the British parties will deliver the powers that the people of Scotland want for their parliament rather than the limited powers that the British establishment is prepared to concede.

Power devolved is power retained. The imperative for UK governments at all times and in all circumstances is the preservation of the structures of power and privilege that define the British state. To whatever extent devolution is a continuing process it is a process with this purpose only and has nothing whatever to do with finding a settlement which addresses the needs and wishes of the people of these islands.

If you doubt that then try looking past the hype about these latest devolution proposals for Wales. As Peter Jones notes, there was no significant political pressure for the changes. It doesn't take any more than a perfectly healthy cynicism to conclude that the UK government had its eye on the situation in Scotland rather than Wales when it came up with these proposals. It is all to easy to believe that these additional powers are being offered to Wales out of the blue simply to polish the Tories' credentials as a party of devolution and lend some illusory substance to the jam tomorrow promises they and their British Labour allies are dangling in front of Scottish voters.

The people of Wales might do well to consider the possibility that they have been no more than pawns in the machinations of the British state.

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Wales to vote in referendum on income tax powers

Wales to vote in referendum on income tax powers | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
THE people of Wales are to vote in a referendum to decide whether to take control of powers over income tax, David Cameron and Nick Clegg have announced.
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UK Government highlights problems with more devolution

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UK Government demonstrates its lack of enthusiasm for devolution - while talking out of the other side of its mouth in Scotland.

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Silk Commission: 'Hold referendum to give Wales tax powers'

Silk Commission: 'Hold referendum to give Wales tax powers' | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
A landmark report into the future of devolution in Wales has recommended devolving tax and borrowing powers to the National Assembly - provided Wales votes for it in a referendum.
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Scots independence: is Wales next?

Scots independence: is Wales next? | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Scots independence bid raised speculations that the Welsh will follow suit, but they seem to be campaigning for a different thing.
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Click on Wales » Blog Archive » Following Scotland has run its course

Click on Wales » Blog Archive » Following Scotland has run its course | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

There is little doubt that political and constitutional developments in Wales over the past couple of decades have been driven by Scotland.

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UK 'unbalanced' if Scots vote for independence

UK 'unbalanced' if   Scots vote for independence | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
THE UK would be unbalanced if Scotland became independent, Wales's First Minister has claimed.Carwyn Jones said it would leave Wales and Northern Ireland sharing just a tiny slice of a UK dominated by...
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Leanne Wood: Wales has a part to play in future of our sister Celtic state - News - Scotsman.com

NOT for the first time in history, we Welsh seek involvement in the great debate that surrounds the prospect of an independent Scotland.
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A written constitution for the UK is ‘inevitable’, says First Minister Carwyn Jones - Politics News - Politics - News - WalesOnline

A written constitution for the UK is ‘inevitable’, says First Minister Carwyn Jones - Politics News - Politics - News - WalesOnline | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
It is “inevitable” that the UK will end up with its first written constitution as a result of devolution, Carwyn Jones said yesterday.
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Cymru'n Cefnogi Annibyniaeth | Wales Supporting Independence - YouTube

Ffilm aml-gyfrannol - detholiad o leisiau o ar draws Cymru yn dangos cefnogaeth i annibyniaeth yr Alban. A collective film -- a compilation of voices from ac...
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Scottish independence: Wales fears losing Scotland

Scottish independence: Wales fears losing Scotland | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
The former first minister of Wales, Rhodri Morgan, has claimed that his country would no longer have a sustainable position in the UK if Scotland votes for independence.
Peter A Bell's insight:

Rhodri Morgan exhibits that curious inability to think of independence as anything other than a complete severing of all relationships which commonly besets British nationalists. Why would Scotland cease to be part of the "Celtic fringe" just because it ceased to be part of the UK? It would still be at least as much a Celtic nation. But considerably less of a "fringe" nation.

Is it really so difficult to see the advantages to Wales of having significant cultural ties to a strong independent nation?

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Welsh tax powers ups the pace for Scotland and greater devolution

Welsh tax powers ups the pace for Scotland and greater devolution | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
David Cameron and Nick Clegg have visited Wales to unveil plans for new tax and spending powers for the Welsh assembly, raising the stakes on devolution across the UK and next September's Scottish independence vote...
Peter A Bell's insight:

Despite the pant-wetting excitement of unionist politicians, this latest piece of (merely proposed) constitutional tinkering has no bearing whatever on Scotland's independence referendum. The referendum ballot offers no option for further devolution. The British parties have no proposals for further devolution. And there is absolutely no rational reason to suppose that further devolution will be delivered if the people of Scotland vote for the status quo.

Why would the British government hand over powers that it has fiercely resisted handing over when the people of Scotland have forfeited the only leverage they have to secure more powers? It makes no sense.

The other fallacy in all of this is that any further devolution which the British state might grant could ever be a substitute for independence. The whole point of popular sovereignty is that it is for the people of Scotland to decide what powers their parliament should have and what powers might be delegated to some other assembly. Having powers grudgingly and gracelessly doled out by Westminster is not a solution to the problem. It is the problem!

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Jim Arnott's curator insight, November 1, 2013 11:19 AM

If Westminster thinks Scots will fall for this they are very much mistaken. Even Scottish politicians are stating that if Scotland votes against independence it is more than likely that Westminster will give Scotland less "pocket money" is will cut the amount of money Scotland gets back from Westminster. Margaret Curran has even suggested the Barnet Formula will suffer. There is only one way to avoid this:

 

Vote Yes in the 2014 Referendum on independence for Scotland. 

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Young people's support for devolution plummets according to new research

Young people's support for devolution plummets according to new research | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Survey finds growing cynicism among young voters in Wales over devolution with many unsure over future independence
Peter A Bell's insight:

British Labour failing to inspire the young in Wales.

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A National Assembly fit for purpose

A National Assembly fit for purpose | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Wales has been fortunate in the last decade in having had three fundamental examinations of the devolution settlement: the Richard Commission that reviewed the capacity and powers of the National Assembly in 2004, the Holtham Commission that looked into ways of funding the Assembly and the Welsh Government in 2009, and now the Silk Commission, whose Phase 1 report has dealt with the devolution of powers over taxation. The first two provided bodies of evidence that have stood the test of time and sets of recommendations firmly based on that evidence. The Silk Commission’s first report, published in November, is in the same mould.

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Davidson linked to study on devolution

Davidson linked to study on devolution | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
FORMER Welsh Government minister Jane Davidson is being linked to joining the Silk Commission – which later this month will report on the first phase of its remit as to whether Wales should have tax-varying and raising powers.
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Welsh Labour voices support for Trident as Lamont remains silent

Welsh Labour voices support for Trident as Lamont remains silent | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Labour First Minister Carwyn Jones has said Wales is ready to become the new home of Britain’s weapons of mass destruction following a Scottish ‘Yes’ vote in 2014.
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Poll supports devolving tax power

Poll supports devolving tax power | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it
Two-thirds of people in Wales people think income tax level should be decided in Wales, an opinion poll suggests.
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Click on Wales » Blog Archive » All income tax raised in Wales should be devolved

Click on Wales » Blog Archive » All income tax raised in Wales should be devolved | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Andrew Davies outlines evidence to the Silk Commission, published today by the Changing Union partnership, on funding the National Assembly

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A Yes vote in the Scottish Referendum would start a serious debate about independence for Wales | British Politics and Policy at LSE

A Yes vote in the Scottish Referendum would start a serious debate about independence for Wales | British Politics and Policy at LSE | Referendum 2014 | Scoop.it

Roger Scully argues that while independence for Wales does not presently enjoy significant backing, this would change with a Yes vote in the Scottish independence referendum. It would offer a clear example to which advocates of independence could point and would alter the fundamental character of the UK rump that remained.

 

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