An interview with Ed Lazowska of the University of Washington about the importance of computer science to all fields and the growing need for computer scientists. He says "Science policy in this nation, and STEM education, is in the iron grip of chemists, physicists, astronomers, and biologists. They don't want any interlopers. But increasingly, advances in these fields are being driven by computer science. There is no field that is more important to the future of the nation and the world."